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She dives deep into the "savage mode" mindset required to win, the courage it took to step away from the tour at age 19 to prioritize her mental health, and how she learned to embrace the discomfort of being out of her comfort zone to eventually stand on top of the podium in Paris. Whether you're a surfer or just looking for a spark of motivation, Caroline’s journey of self-belief and tenacity is sure to inspire you to find your own flow state.

In this episode:

• The making of the film Now Days and bringing female surfing to a mainstream audience.

• The unique camaraderie and rivalry among the world's top female surfers.

• Growing up as the only girl among four brothers and how it shaped her competitive edge.

• The transition from Florida to California and the pressure of early professional success.

• Navigating the "savage mode" mindset: turning competition on and off.

• Coming up short in Tokyo 2021 and the four-year mental game leading to Paris 2024.

• The decision to take a break from the tour at 19 for mental health and the healing process.

• Caroline’s personal "I Am" statements and her morning routine for success.

• Learning to appreciate life beyond the board: sunsets, family, and simple joys.

• What it feels like to finally be an Olympic Gold Medalist and a member of the Hall of Fame.

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

"The beauty of life is you just keep evolving and growing, and you’ve just got to ride the roller coaster."

"When I’m in the water, I just turn into a different person ... you just go into savage mode. I’m trying to win."

"Good things happen outside your comfort zone. The best moments of my life have been from when I’ve been uncomfortable."

"I’m brave, I’m confident, I put the work in, I’m powerful, and I am doing what I love."

"Knowing that you’re the only one that’s you—that’s like a superpower."

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The conversation explores how Alex navigates the high-pressures of her work with balance living in th Hudson Valley. She details her #hurdlemoment following the loss of her father, which served as the catalyst for her deep dive into holistic wellness. 

IN THIS EPISODE

• The "Sue Bird Method" of varying glam levels.

• Alex's non-negotiable morning and night rituals, featuring red light therapy and classical music.

• The power of manifestation and "execution boards."

• Why skin prep is the most important part of a long-lasting look.

• The evolving synergy between beauty and women's sports.

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

• "I really try to sit down with them and look at their face and see what is going to help with making them feel the most beautiful, confident person on the field, off the field, on the court, whatever it is."

• "I feel like this generation of athletes understands that beauty can be utilized as a tool. Makeup is not necessarily a mask ... it’s more about amplifying the look and showing the world every side of who they are."

• "In order to get what it is that you want, you have to act like you already have it. You have to own it and be so confident with it."

• "Everything is figure-outable. There is always light at the end of the tunnel. No matter how dark, how lonely, how sad, how heartbreaking something can feel, it's always going to get better."

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In this episode, Becs gets real about the logistics of being a global athlete and a mother. We dive deep into her discipline and how she manages to schedule high-stress training alongside her non-negotiables. She shares a powerful perspective on priority, noting that while she is deeply disciplined, she has learned that training isn't always the highest priority—the health and happiness of herself and her family, especially her daughter Talulah, always come first.

We also discuss the lessons she’s learning in this chapter, from the importance of protecting her mental health by setting boundaries with social media to the value of reassessing goals when the passion starts to fade. Becs reminds us all that life is too short not to enjoy what we do in our spare time, and sometimes, the best thing you can do for your growth is to step away and find a new route to the top of the mountain.

IN THIS EPISODE

This episode is a masterclass in navigating life's major pivots with grace and a "family-first" filter. Here are the highlights and most quotable moments from your conversation with Becs Gentry:

"In This Episode" Highlights

• The HOKA Era: Becs discusses her new role as a HOKA Global Brand Ambassador and how the brand's focus on community and versatile performance aligns with her current chapter.

• The Reality of Discipline: A deep dive into how Becs manages a grueling training schedule, highlighting that discipline isn't about being "perfect" every day, but about making things happen within the reality of your current life.

• Family as the North Star: Becs opens up about how her daughter, Tallulah, has completely reframed her "why," and why she chooses to set strict boundaries with technology to remain present.

• The Power of "No": She shares the vulnerable story of why she walked away from a marathon goal in June 2025 because she realized she was "climbing a slippery wall" with no passion for the project.

• New Representation: The transition to being represented by Always Alpha and how having a team helps her value her own worth in a "dog-eat-dog" business world.

• Intentional Living: From using a "Brick" to block social media apps to recording memories on a vintage camcorder, Becs shares her strategies for reclaiming her time from the "pocket computer".

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

"HOKA is a brand that blends performance with a very welcoming community to every type of runner... It is not just about having the fastest, flashiest, most expensive shoe on the market. It is about so much more than that."

"Burnout doesn't come from overtraining or overdoing something. It comes from trying to achieve something that you have no passion for. It's like trying to climb up a slippery wall. You may get there, but you're going to be so exhausted and cut up and bruised and defeated by the time you get to the top."

"Humans get a sense of having done it—this sense of achievement—when we tell somebody what we're working toward. The more and more people you tell and they give you that same response, it waters down and lessens your want to feel that thing when you've actually done it."

"Everything I do as a woman in sport and business is striving to help my daughter not have to go through what our generations and all the generations before us have had to go through, which has been struggling to get ourselves heard and recognized for the goodness that we have and do."

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She also gets candid about her mental health journey, specifically her experience with an eating disorder and a relapse in 2024, discussing what support looks like in her daily life today. When we had this conversation — there was just under a year left until the Winter Olympics, and Jessie reflected on training in Italy, her recent World Cup wins, and her decision to retire at the end of 2026.

IN THIS EPISODE

• The Physical Breaking Point: Jessie describes the sensation of pushing her body to its absolute limits during a race, including the "blurry vision" that often accompanies her hardest efforts.

• Mental Health & Recovery: A vulnerable discussion on her history with an eating disorder, navigating a relapse in 2024, and the importance of a strong support system.

• The Final Stretch: Jessie shares her mindset heading into her final Olympic run in Milan-Cortina and why she has decided to retire after the 2026 season.

• Legacy & Integrity: Reflecting on being awarded the Holmenkollen Medal, Jessie explains why racing with integrity and being a role model outside of the sport is as important to her as her results on the snow.

• Training Philosophy: How she and her team plan "super peaks" every four years for the Olympics and the unexpected benefits of "toe yoga."

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

"I’ve realized that I don’t have to be a perfect person to be a good role model. I just have to be an honest one."

"The 'pain cave' is a place I know well, but I’ve learned that you can’t live there. You have to have a home to come back to that is full of joy and balance."

"Winning is amazing, but it’s the feeling of crossing the line knowing you gave every single thing you had—that’s the part that stays with you."

"I want the next generation of skiers to see that you can be the best in the world and still be a human being who struggles and asks for help."

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In this episode, Aisha McAdams—photographer, filmmaker, and former competitive runner—shares her journey of navigating the transition from elite athlete to creative visionary. She dives into the making of her documentary Learning to Fly, which premiered at the Telluride Film Festival, and the founding of Rhoam Creative Studio to elevate women in the creative industry.

IN THIS EPISODE

• The Pivot to Creative Arts: Aisha discusses the shift from being the subject of the lens as an athlete to capturing the stories of others through photography and film.

• "Learning to Fly": A behind-the-scenes look at the inspiration and production of her documentary, which explores the human spirit and the pursuit of greatness.

• Empowering Women in Media: The mission behind Rhoam Creative Studio and the importance of increasing female representation in male-dominated creative spaces.

• The Athlete’s Mindset in Art: How the discipline, resilience, and focus learned through years of competitive running fuel her creative process today.

• Redefining Success: Aisha reflects on finding fulfillment outside of race results and learning to embrace the "uncomfortable middle" of career transitions.

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

• "I realized that the same tenacity I had on the track was exactly what I needed to survive the uncertainty of a creative career."

• "With Learning to Fly, I wanted to show that the finish line isn't the only part of the story worth telling."

• "Starting Rhoam wasn't just about taking pictures; it was about taking up space in an industry where women's voices are often sidelined."

• "You have to be willing to be a beginner again. The transition from athlete to artist is essentially learning a new way to breathe."

• "Photography allows me to stay connected to the sport I love, but from a perspective that celebrates the vulnerability behind the performance."

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Erika also opens up about her professional journey, offering tactical advice for those looking to break into the sports industry, the importance of trusting your intuition, and how she balances the demands of a high-profile executive role with being a mother.

IN THIS EPISODE

• The Evolution of "Maximalism": Erika traces HOKA's journey from being "counter-culture" in a minimalist era to leading the industry with its focus on solving the problem of running downhills faster.
• Scaling with Soul: How the brand reached its $2 billion revenue milestone while maintaining core values like curiosity and inclusivity.
• Marketing via Experience: Why Erika believes experiential marketing is the most powerful tool for building emotional connections and lasting memories with consumers.
• Co-Creation over Control: Shifting the marketing narrative from "talking at people" to "world-building" alongside the running community.
• Career "Harmony": Erika's perspective on rejecting the myth of work-life balance in favor of finding a daily "harmony" that allows for both professional leadership and motherhood.

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

On Marketing & Community

• "It’s not about controlling the narrative ... it’s much more about embracing that idea of co-creation. It’s a shift from talking at people to being in a space where we’re doing more world-building."
• "In terms of greatest brand building, it comes from an experience because it evokes a memory ... that memory evokes emotion, and that’s what always is going to bring people back to a brand."
• "The work is never done. We can talk about ourselves all day long, but if it's not directly drawn to that consumer insight and how we're solving problems for them, it's not going to pass the bar."

On Leadership & Intuition

• "The paranoid survive. You're always looking around corners to where there's opportunity but also where there's risk. Part of that to me is also tied to trusting your intuition."
• "It's not always the loudest voice in the room, it's not always the most senior voice in the room that is sharing the right paths or the right ideas."
• "The only person that's truly going to bet on you is you. Have the inner confidence to know that. You won't know until you try, and sometimes you won't know until you fail and you try again."

On Life "Harmony"

• "I stopped looking for balance a few years ago. I think it's unrealistic. I switched my language into finding harmony. Harmony is about the acknowledgment that I’m not going to be perfect at all the roles I have to play, and that’s okay."

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What happens when your body, the very thing you've spent nearly two decades teaching others to harmonize with, begins to fail you in a way you never saw coming?

This week on the show, I'm sitting down with meditation teacher, and author Megan Monahan. Megan first appeared on Hurdle back in 2019, and today she returns to share a profoundly personal update. In late 2024, Megan faced a life-altering health hurdle: a diagnosis of Multiple Sclerosis (MS).

Megan takes us inside the raw moments of her diagnosis—from the sudden loss of vision in her right eye to an eight-hour wait in an UCLA emergency room. We discuss the power of the "meditation muscles" she built over 16 years and how they allowed her to meet this challenge with resilience instead of a victim mindset.

In this episode, we discuss:

• The sudden symptoms and 36-hour journey to an MS diagnosis.

• How a decade of spiritual practice reframed a "devastating" diagnosis into a "resurgence of purpose".

• The 4-7-8 breathwork framework and somatic shaking for navigating high-stress moments.

• Unmasking personality traits that are actually trauma responses.

• What it truly means to be authentic and "come home to yourself".

• Lessons learned from spiritual giants like Deepak Chopra and Wayne Dyer.

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"You get to choose how a life-changing moment changes you. We all have the ability to author our story in whatever way we want."

"There is a part of you that can't be diagnosed with MS, that can't be broken up with, that can't be broke, that can't be relocated. That is who you are."

"We mistake the need to enjoy the experience or the process with finding value in it."

"You are not your thoughts. You don't have to believe every thought you have."

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In today’s episode, Lexi opens up about making life-altering decisions at just 14 years old and the validation she felt from her support system during that whirlwind process. We discuss the "superpower" of quiet leadership and how she learned to lead through authentic connection rather than just being the most vocal person in the room. She also gets real about the mental transition from college to the pros, including the initial moments of doubt and the learning curve of playing against world-class veterans.

Lexi also shares her experience navigating the NIL era—managing what often feels like a second job—and why she prioritizes authenticity over constant content production. Plus, we dive into her empowerment app, SheSports, and her wellness non-negotiables, from a slow morning routine to the power of a long exhale to reset her nervous system mid-match.

IN THIS EPISODE

• The Big Decision: What it was like committing to a major university at 14 and the intuition that guided her.
• Quiet Leadership: How to be an effective leader through connection and authenticity rather than volume.
• The Pro Transition: Navigating the jump from college to professional volleyball and overcoming moments of self-doubt.
• NIL Realities: Balancing a professional athletic career with the demands of personal branding and social media.
• SheSports: The inspiration behind her app and the importance of fostering connections between generations of female athletes.
• Wellness & Performance: Her morning routine, journaling practice, and mid-match breathing techniques for mental clarity.
• Life Lessons: The best advice she’s received and how she defines her "why" today.

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

"At the end of the day, belief is just so strong. And when you believe in yourself, I feel like you can accomplish more than you ever thought you could.”

“I’m not the most vocal person, but I feel like I have a really big strength of connecting with people. It took me a while to realize that and use that as my leadership superpower."

"You’re going to have to get comfortable with something that isn’t really real to you... but staying true to yourself as much as you can is going to have a big impact."

"I’ve earned the right to be here, and I’ve earned the right to be confident. When you put it in perspective of all the work you’ve put in—how many reps you’ve actually done—it puts your mind at ease."

"I want to produce something that’s authentic and that really showcases my personality, me, and my story. It’s hard to just produce content every day when it doesn’t feel natural."

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Aside from talking about "body doubling"—simply having another person in the room to keep you focused and anchored while you work, I also answer a listener question on dynamic versus static stretching. 

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Emily breaks down her "Four Quadrants of Effort" to help you identify where you are gaining momentum and where you are leaking energy. She also shares tactical tools like "Firing the Drain" and the "Power of the Floor" to help you move from decision fatigue into a state of strategic underperformance. By the end of this episode, you won't just have a to-do list; you'll have a "to-don't" list and a clear path to making this year one of actual growth, not just grinding.

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• The Four Quadrants of Effort: A breakdown of the Sweet Spot (Low Effort/High Joy), The Investment (High Effort/High Joy), The Drain (High Effort/Low Joy), and The Ghost (Low Effort/Low Joy).
• The Health Halo Trap: Why we often mistake suffering for progress and how to identify "healthy" habits that are actually costing you more than they give back.
• Four Pointed Questions: Emily offers an audit for your performance wellness versus your actual wellness.
• The Power of the Floor: Defining the bare minimum you do on your hardest days to ensure you never fail or "end up in the red."
• The 70% Rule: Why giving 70% effort to mundane tasks allows you to save 100% for the things that truly matter.
• Eliminating Decision Fatigue: How establishing a consistent routine and planning ahead can preserve your finite energy for the big hurdles.

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This shift wasn't just about physical rest; it was about building a sustainable foundation that allowed her to walk onto the track in Paris with a sense of calm that only comes from knowing your "why."

That intentionality resulted in a career-defining performance in 2024. Thomas cemented her status as the fastest woman in the world over 200 meters, taking home the individual gold in Paris along with two additional gold medals as a dominant force in the 4x100m and 4x400m relays. On this week's episode, we dive into how she manages the "mental load" of being a champion, the data-driven approach she takes to her health, and why her purpose in public health remains the north star for everything she does on the track.

IN THIS EPISODE

• The emotional high of winning individual gold in Paris
• Juggling Ivy League academics with elite track and field training
• Why she pursued a Master’s in public health and how it shapes her worldview
• Her "I’m choosing me first" mantra regarding health and recovery
• The evolution of her mental toolkit and handling Olympic-level pressure
• Her partnership with Amazfit and the role of data in her wellness routine
• Looking ahead: Goals and dreams for the 2028 Los Angeles Olympics

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

On Purpose and Perspective

• "It’s bigger than me. It’s about my purpose and what I want to show the younger generation."
• "Success is not defined by the speed at which you reach your goals."

On Mental Health and Longevity

• "I'm choosing me first. Health and longevity beat pressure and headlines every time."
• "If you get caught up in needing to prove you belong, you've already lost the plot."

On Resilience

• "Setbacks and rejections are all part of the journey and present valuable learning opportunities."
• "My bronze in Tokyo was a testament to resilience after a year of personal setbacks."

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In today’s conversation, Anna opens up about the "good busy" season of life she’s currently navigating, from intense training sessions to wedding planning. She reflects on the heartbreak of the Paris Olympics and the subsequent journey of returning to the track with a refreshed perspective. We dive deep into her mental toolkit, including her specific journaling process, how she compartmentalizes challenges during a multi-event competition, and the vital role that nutrition and her dog, Cross, play in her wellness routine.

IN THIS EPISODE

• How Anna navigated the disappointment of the Paris Olympics
• The "good busy" of wedding planning alongside pro-athlete training
• Her specific "good things only" track journaling process
• The role of nutrition and her partnership with Nulo
• How to compartmentalize during a multi-event competition like the heptathlon
• Learning to be uncomfortable in order to grow
• The influence of icons like Jackie Joyner-Kersee on her career

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

On Resilience and Disappointment

• "I’ve been really low before; I’ve wanted to quit the sport before. That was temporary. So now I have that perspective where I can zoom out a little bit."
• "You think, 'Oh, my whole life will change when I get the gold medal.' And it really doesn't. You're still you."

On the Mental Game

• "In my track journal, I only write down good things. I only write down things I want to remember, do again, or feel."
• "I feel like I write my mindset for track day into existence the night before."

On Growth and Grit

• "You need to be uncomfortable to grow. That’s what all of training is."
• "No matter what is going on in my life, off the track, on the track, no matter what injury, it’s like I always just come back to the work."

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Ali shares her remarkable journey of recovery, from the early days of facing a debilitating fear of water to becoming an American record holder and medaling at the Paris Paralympics. We discuss everything from the power of community and support systems to the "stronger than you think" philosophy that led to the creation of her nonprofit and documentary.

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• The emotional experience of running the NYC Marathon with her support system
• The details of the shark attack and the heroic actions of her friend, Sophie
• Learning to find hope and joy after trauma
• The "permission to feel and intention to reset" strategy
• Redefining what's possible in a "new body"
• The mission behind her nonprofit, Stronger Than You Think
• Representing the Paralympic movement in Sports Illustrated Swimsuit and in her work as a Nike athlete

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

On Mindset and Resilience

• "The message that we're stronger than we think is for everyone. We all go through hard times and trauma and hardship and I think that message that you have more in you is something that I hope everyone sees."
• "If you ask 'why me?' ... make sure you're asking it in both directions."
• "Our fears and our feelings are not facts."

On the Power of Community

• "Community really is so important. I think about my journey as a testament to the power of community and support."
• "There really is no wrong form of support. Whatever you have to give, whenever you have to give it, matters and moves the person forward."

On Growth and New Beginnings

• "I'm swimming faster than I ever swam in certain events with two legs. It's a message to myself of what is still possible for me in this new body."
• "I can take this bad, senseless trauma that happened to me and use it for good."
• "It's just as likely that things can go better than you expect than it is that they might not go well at all."

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We discuss the key to her philosophy: Indulgent Nourishment, which promotes celebrating whole, delicious food as the true opposite of deprivation. Elyse shares why focusing on real food, rather than counting macros or calories, is the best path to a healthier life. We also dive into the non-negotiable role healthy fats play in hormonal and brain health, how to spot misleading packaging on food labels, and the truth about high-protein fads and refined white flour. She also talks about the full-circle journey of leaving a successful corporate career at Nike to go to culinary school, and ultimately launching her own company.

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QUOTABLE MOMENTS

• “Raising kids that are watching me do something that I’m so passionate about is the biggest gift of all in this whole career journey.”

• “I think so many Americans have no idea how good you can feel.”

• On her philosophy: "You don't need to stress about like measuring things and counting macros, all you need to do is get in your kitchen and cook."

• “Real food does not cause weight gain. Let’s just like stop even thinking that.”

• On the longevity of her message: "I think that's why our books continue to sell well is because the nutrition messaging is still upholding 10 years later."

• “You’ll have a horrible stomach ache if you eat when you’re super stressed.”

• On her pivot: "I think if I had known what I know now about the world of grocery and retail and how complex it is, I probably never would have started the company. But I think it's always been my thing like I jump into it."

• On the surprising benefit of her injury struggles: “Sometimes those lowest points of your life ... will teach you the biggest lessons. So your low points or your failures can become your greatest success in life.”

IN THIS EPISODE

• Pivoting to CPG: The decision to launch the direct-to-consumer Superhero Muffins baking mix.

• The Low-Fat Lie: Elyse's experience suffering from athletic amenorrhea, low bone density, and stress fractures due to not eating enough healthy fats.

• The Power of Real Fat: Why healthy fats (like butter and olive oil) are essential for hormone balance, brain health, satiation, and absorbing fat-soluble vitamins.

• Dieting & Deprivation: How to shift the mindset from deprivation to "Indulgent Nourishment".

• Label Literacy: What red flags to look for on ingredient lists, including artificial sugars, refined flours, natural flavorings, and cheap protein fillers like refined gluten.

• Protein Obsession: Why high-protein diets are often overdone and the importance of balanced meals that include healthy fats and complex carbohydrates.

• Gut Health & Stress: How high stress and not eating during a "rest and digest" state can destroy your digestion and prevent nutrient absorption.

• Stress Combatting Tip: Using movement—like a short walk or quick sprint—to lower cortisol levels before sitting down for a meal.

• The Entrepreneurial Grind: The challenges of launching a small food brand against major competitors with large marketing budgets.

• Career Resilience: The journey from a successful career at Nike, to a culinary school detour, and finally finding her passion.

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In this inspiring and candid conversation, Seema discusses how her background in team sports shaped her unique leadership style, the lessons she learned from trusting her instincts (even when it was scary), and how she juggles a demanding career while prioritizing her role as a mother. Plus, she opens up about the challenge of being a quiet leader in a loud room, the power of embracing vulnerability, and Nike's commitment to making running more inclusive for women.

IN THIS EPISODE

• The unexpected journey from studying engineering to becoming a GM at Nike, and the hard conversation with her parents that led to a major pivot.
• The handwritten note from her mom that gave her the courage to trust her own intuition and pursue a different path.
• How her background in team sports shaped her leadership style, emphasizing hard work, teamwork, and knowing your role.
• Moving from a finance role into product development and the lesson of empowering your team by letting go of the need to be the "expert" in the room.
• Finding balance between a busy career and motherhood, and the "loud" message of women sacrificing family for work.
• The importance of being an authentic, quiet leader in a corporate environment and balancing that with stepping into your power.
• Nike’s approach to making running more inclusive and less intimidating, especially for women, and thinking "big" with audacious goals.
• Why passion and building a strong family-like culture is key to a long career in the sports industry.

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

Self-Worth and Authenticity

"We have to remind ourselves that we're worthy, we're good, we don't have to keep proving ourselves."

"I think it's about combining your authentic self with understanding how you need to show up in those environments."

"I want people to remember is, 'Wow, she made an amazing point.' I want the words that I share to have that impact versus 'she talked the whole time.'"

Career, Strategy, and Trusting Your Path

"Trust your gut and go with it, and then have fun with that journey, honestly."

"You get out what you put in, and you learn that really quickly in sports."

"The job of a leader is really empowering your team... and driving the strategy [versus] being in the weeds and the details."

Family and Balance

"At the end of the day, my priority is to be a mom."

"I think that just kind of hopefully will be something that they take away with them, [that] they know that my girls actually recognize that as they were growing up."

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Jordan also shares her experience navigating a difficult personal period, including a divorce, and how she learned to separate her self-worth from her on-court performance. It's a candid conversation about finding inner peace, the importance of "failing fast" to learn, and her excitement for growing the future of women’s volleyball in the United States through ventures like Love Nebraska and League One Volleyball. This is a masterclass in resilience, leadership, and the power of continual evolution.

In This Episode:

• 16+ Seasons of Elite Performance: Jordan shares what still excites her about lacing up and how she remains a student of the sport after almost two decades.
• The Evolution of Leadership: We discuss the shift from being a "leader by action" to a vocal, empathetic captain who builds deeper connections with her teammates.
• Beyond the White Lines: Why true success and team cohesion require knowing the person behind the athlete, not just their on-court skill.
• The Hardest Hurdle: Jordan opens up about the immense internal work required to find peace and process her divorce, and how she used that time to define her self-worth outside of volleyball.
• Failing Fast: The necessity of taking risks in practice and the importance of a "goldfish mindset" for quick failure and recovery.
• Love Nebraska and League One Volleyball: Her passion for growing the sport domestically and the importance of creating opportunities for female athletes to thrive at home.
• Advice to Her Younger Self: The importance of being able to sit in the hard, uncomfortable feelings instead of running from them.

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

🥇 On Success, Self-Worth, and Longevity

• “How do I help others around me believe that they are unstoppable?”
• “There’s moments of time in my career that I burnout was real and I was like maybe this is time to step away.”
• “I think the fastest you fail, the more you learn.”

🧘 On Inner Peace and Healing

• “I really started building myself up. Lots of therapy, and I feel like today I’m in a place of just loving myself and finding inner peace and learning that that is actually the true happiness.”
• “I think I would go back to tell myself that like it’s gonna hurt, but that doesn’t mean that that’s wrong. That even in the pain and the hurt, it’s okay to sit in it.”

🏐 On Leadership and Team Dynamics

• “It’s not just about what’s happening between the white lines. It’s about how I get to know my teammates, how I’m showing up for them.”

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In this conversation, Huddle and Linden get candid about the highs and lows of training and competing, offering advice on how to conquer big goals while remaining honest and compassionate with yourself.

In this episode, we discuss:

• Molly Huddle’s first marathon back postpartum
• Des Linden’s experience running the New York City Marathon alongside Anthony Ramos
• How to conquer the “pain cave” during a hard race
• The importance of self-compassion and being honest with yourself
• Mental strategies for running a marathon (staying present, embracing the challenge)
• The significance of celebrating the small wins
• Advice for first-time marathoners
• QUOTABLE MOMENTS

On Mental Toughness & The Pain Cave

• "You're stronger than you think." – Des Linden (as parting advice to the audience)
• "You didn't train so that this would be something easy. You trained so you'd be prepared for when it got difficult." – Des Linden
• "The best thing to do for that [the pain cave] is to just stay in the moment." – Molly Huddle
• "When you cross the finish line, you're going to just have that tool in your pocket of like, 'Look what I did, look what I can do.'" – Molly Huddle

On Strategy & Planning

• "I like to just think bottle to bottle ... you can pretend you're starting over again." – Molly Huddle 
• "Stay here... You're strong... Hang on." – Molly Huddle 
• "What can I get out of something that's not going my way?" – Des Linden 
• "If it was easy, everyone would do it." – Emily Abbate 

On Life, Balance, and Identity

• "This year I will have made a baby, ran a marathon, and I'm like writing a book. Like, what's wrong with me? Like, why am I feeling like that's not enough stuff?" – Molly Huddle
• "You put in work, and you stay committed, and have this self-belief, and if you keep looking forward, there's always things to tackle that are out in front of you." – Des Linden

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Recorded in New York City on the weekend of the TCS New York City Marathon, this conversation highlights the depth of her incredible career. In it, Sara opens about her journey, the perseverance required for success, and the mental fortitude it takes to navigate the inevitable challenges—whether that’s a tough injury cycle, the complexities of competition, or even online critics.

IN THIS EPISODE

• The Power of Perseverance: We dive into the grit required for a long and successful professional running career.

• Love Over Fear: Sara opens up about the decision to adopt four children from Ethiopia and how that was rooted in choosing love over fear. The adoption included four girls, ages 5 to 15, all at once.

• The Emotional Tax of Sport: Sara discusses how to navigate the mental fortitude required to deal with challenges like injury cycles, competition complexities, and online criticism.

• Doping & Disappointment: Sara shares how she copes with the deep emotional tax of competing against athletes who were later disqualified for doping.

• Learning from Failure: She reveals how her biggest failure—coming in last at a US Championships—was actually a profound turning point in her life, helping her understand God's unconditional love.

• The Meaning of the Grind: Sara talks about what the "grind" means to her specifically at this chapter in her life, and her upcoming book, For the Love of the Grind.

• Rebounding: Sara shares her advice for moving on from big disappointments, including "slamming a bunch of coffee" and setting a new goal.

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

On Resilience and Perseverance

• "I want to be good period, not just good for my age."
• "What you speak over yourself is powerful."

On Motherhood and Family

• "We just chose love over fear... it was just like closing your eyes and jumping off a cliff and just choosing faith."

• "The word 'Berchi' [Amharic for 'Be Strong']... I was like, I want them to be like keep their Ethiopian toughness."

• "When you're happier, you run better."

On Identity and Self-Worth

• "You have to really have a love for the process, and an excitement to just continue to believe in what you're doing that holds you through all of it."

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Martin gets honest about her struggles with negative self-talk and how the identity of being the "glue" teammate actually helps her play better. Plus, Kate talks about the mental and physical comeback from a devastating ACL tear, explaining why that difficult experience taught her how to be a cheerleader first—a skill that has shaped her entire career.

IN THIS EPISODE

• The Post-College Grind: How she manages the WNBA travel schedule by prioritizing mobility work and drip-drop hydration (electrolyte packets) on every flight to combat dehydration and stay ready for immediate workouts.
• The Power of NIL: Her personal experience navigating the NIL landscape in college, and the hilarious story of how she was completely blindsided by her own draft pick while expecting to be fully focused on supporting Caitlin Clark.
• The Best Version of an Athlete: Why she is focused on becoming a more well-rounded player by working on attacking the rim and being consistent when shooting under fatigue.
• Adversity as Fuel: Why she views her major ACL injury in college as the "best thing that ever happened to me" because it taught her empathy and the importance of showing up as a great teammate.
• Personal Identity: Why being labeled an "underdog" doesn't bother her, and why she is okay with the balance of being a great athlete and a great person who prioritizes her family.
• Simple Wellness: Her simple, non-negotiable wellness routine, which includes chicken, rice, and cold tubs for physical and mental reset.

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

On self-talk:
"I would definitely say that [negative self-talk] is still a work in progress for sure. I would sit here and tell every single one of my teammates, 'Don't be so hard on yourself, negative self-talk is terrible, it benefits nothing.'"

On what she sees in the mirror:
"I want people to see a good person who cares about her teammates and who is a lot more than just a basketball player."

On coming back from injury:
"If you have a bad day, that's okay, too. Because you're going to have bad days... and you're going to eventually start trending upwards if you continue to do the right things."

On coming back after a loss:
“You cannot linger in the past, you really just got to keep pushing and looking forward. You have to have that goldfish mentality."

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Fresh off her win at Athlos in New York City, Russell joins us to peel back the curtain on the mindset that allowed her to make the U.S. Olympic team, emerge victorious on the world stage, and break records in the process. This conversation was filmed live at Nike’s New York headquarters in front of an incredible audience, many of whom were gearing up for the New York City Marathon. It’s a motivational pre-game for any big moment, whether we’re talking about sport—or beyond.

In the episode, Masai is incredibly candid about the struggles she faced in her first professional year, the adversity she had to overcome, and the mental shift she made to change her entire career trajectory. She also shares why, in her mind, she never fails, and how that perspective helps her turn every setback into a blessing.

I've also got a big announcement: Today, Hurdle joins iHeart Women's Sports Network! A massive milestone years in the making, thanks so much for being a part of this community and following along for the ride. 

IN THIS EPISODE

• The competitive fire Masai developed by growing up with older brothers.
• Why Masai made the surprising choice to follow her coach and transfer to the University of Kentucky.
• The essential self-belief required to succeed at an elite level.
• Her mindset in the starting blocks for the 100m hurdles.
• Why showing up for yourself, even on bad days, is crucial to building success.
• The adversity and mental challenges she faced during her first professional year.
• The daily journaling and self-talk practices that shape her mindset.
• Why her tough finish (4th place) at the World Championships was ultimately the best thing for her.
• Her advice for dealing with the pressure and expectations of social media fame.
• Her big goals: from buying a house at 24 to breaking the World Record and winning in Los Angeles in 2028.

QUOTABLE MOMENTS

On the power of belief:
"I just told myself when I got out there on the line, whatever's going to happen is going to happen, and I think once I kind of let the my ego go and let what I thought I should be or what the expectations of what people put on to me, once I let all that go out the door, I just felt free."

On why she never fails:
"I'll never fail because it's always a lesson to turn me into what the world will see. And that's always my mindset."

On her mindset in the starting blocks:
"There's nothing more that's going to change or the outcome isn't going to change. Literally just show up and be, and whatever that outcome is going to be, that's just what it is, and you have to be okay with it."

On her mental tools:
"It's literally just about like what I feel in that moment at that time, at that day. It could be like, 'Go out there, kill it, lock in, zone out, be you!' ... or it could be just like whatever is literally on my heart and mind."

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In this week's episode, she talks about the power of alignment and following her passions, what it was like to build community during a global pandemic, and how she feels about the company stepping in as the title sponsor of Tour de France Femmes avec Zwift. Plus: What she's learned along the way, how she anticipates the sport to grow in the future, and how it feels to be a vocal leader (especially on the days she's not feeling so shiny).

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I know this now: I didn’t need to hit my goals on Sunday to consider this a win. (Also, it’s just not that serious.) I can say without hesitation that the pivot is a privilege. There’s so much damn power in it, too. I went for my moonshot goal, and that’s the whole point, right? To be brave and gutsy and tenacious because we get to.

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(5:08) The true inspiration behind starting Runher

(8:06) How creating a print magazine is different today than at the beginning of her career

(11:47) The hat that was most enjoyable for Ashley to wear in the creation of this magazine

(16:16) Ashley talks about the mental benefits that the sport of running has brought her

(21:00) What running 17 marathons has taught Ashley about life

(22:30) The tools that empower Ashley to keep the blinders on and focus on her own athlete journey, rather than falling into the comparison trap

(30:20) What a difficult injury taught Ashley about the importance of listening to her body

(35:25) How Ashley felt about pulling out of a race she had on the calendar this fall

(39:15) What Ashley thinks the impact of Runher can be in the media landscape

(45:00) How running clubs can be a helpful tool on your running journey

(52:40) How does Ashley celebrate her big wins, and what she anticipates it to look and feel like this time around

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(3:30) How the women are doing really after their performance over the weekend

(6:14) How the temperatures really felt—with humidity above 90%

(8:34) How Erika felt to see Jess and Susanna leading the race when she wasn't having the day she hoped for

(10:54) How Erika handles a disappointing day and navigates shifting her mindset

(13:23) How Susanna's training set her up for the best case scenario on Sunday

(17:00) Jess details the benefits of the way the course was laid out in Tokyo

(17:46) Jess talks about how she got to be at a place where she felt more comfortable racing and "became her own best friend."

(21:58) What it meant to "work" the entire marathon and what tools and fuel were available on the course to try to cool off in the heat

(37:05) What does the post-race debrief look like?

(39:04) Susanna reflects on an awful race in Budapest at the last World Championships on how she bounced back to stellar performances

(45:00) What it looked like post-race in the stadium

(52:43) What the girls are all looking forward to next

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Don't Call It a Comeback: What Happened When I Stopped Chasing PRs, and Started Chasing Happiness

IN THIS EPISODE(9:49) How Keira felt about the writing process of Don’t Call It A Comeback

(13:38) Keira talks about how it felt having to think back on difficult moments of her pro career

(15:40) Keira talks about breaking her foot in two places in Chicago 2024, and how that was a signal that she needed to take a step back

(17:40) How Keira feels living in Utah

(22:25) When Keira has felt most guilty over the last 10 years, using the “happy, healthy, loved” dipstick to gauge if running could be a sustainable path for her as a mother

(25:40) What Keira has been able to teach her kids through sport

(27:31) Keira talks about Boston 2025 and the challenges of that race

(33:50) How Keira figured out her red line, what it really felt like to push herself to the max

(36:25) What does winning look like to Keira?

(45:32) What does being the best mom possible look like to Keira?

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IN THIS EPISODE

(13:06) When did Erika learn to trust herself within training

(13:15) What does “OYO” mean in running?

(14:11) Erika talks about how running made her feel in high school versus now

(22:54) How does Erika manage negative thoughts and what’s her advice to others navigating difficult self-talk

(25:16) What does Erika’s support system look like

(36:38) East does success look and feel like for Erika in Tokyo?

(38:00) How does the Tokyo World Championships course work out to Erika’s advantage

(38:40) What was the hardest part of Erika’s running career thus far

(40:04) Erika talks about the difficulties she has working with an old coach shortly after Covid

(41:30) What does Erika do for herself when everything feels out of her control

(42:28) How to manage stress and what does ’superstitious’ look like for Erika

(44:34) Erika talks about joining Joan Benoit Samuelson as an Olympic gold hopeful

(45:40) Erika talks about not loving to do hands-on body work, and what recovery looks like for her otherwise 

(48:20) Erika shares her “I am statements”

(51:32) What about Erika the person makes her proud, beyond being an athlete

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IN THIS EPISODE

(7:13) What's been the biggest challenge for Shana Stephenson as a leader at the Liberty organization

(13:15) What it was like being in the WNBA "Wubble"

(17:40) How did Shana Stephenson concept a brand identity for the New York Liberty

(19:00) What it was like to build Ellie the Elephant's brand

(21:40) How they were able to pivot from Mattie the mascot to Ellie

(24:30) How Ellie has evolved over the years, including brand partnerships with Essie and Away

(29:57) Shana Stephenson offers up the best piece of advice she's ever received in her career

(34:00) The biggest sacrifices Shana Stephenson made when she was working for herself doing personal marketing for athletes

(40:23) What made Shana Stephenson decide to go back in-house for a job when she thought she'd work for herself for the rest of her life

(44:15) Shana Stephenson talks about how her upbringing made her a better businesswoman

(48:46) Shana Stephenson talks about the corporate culture working for the Liberty

(49:10) Shana Stephenson talks about the difference working for the Liberty versus the Nets

(53:30) Shana Stephenson talks about balancing her work life versus her personal life

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IN THIS EPISODE

(8:40) The two important conversations that Kristen had that helped her make the choice to leave finance to turn pro cycling

(10:30) What it was about cycling that Kristen loved from the get-go

(13:08) Kristen recalls the first time she watched the Olympics at 8 years old and how she knew she wanted to be one

(13:35) Kristen talks about swimming as a child

(14:45) How to know when a goal is worth pursuing 

(15:57) Kristen admits that she was almost embarrassed to talk about her Olympic dreams for a while

(17:32) How growing up in Alaska shaped Kristen as an athlete and woman 

(18:40) Kristen talks about how she’d feel if she was older and didn’t pursue this dream

(20:00) Kristen talks about how challenging it was to seek out community when she moved to New York City. “It was the first time in my life I had to build a community.”

(38:18) How Kristen felt signing her first international lease 

(42:12) What it was like for Kristen to accomplish her biggest, lifelong dream.

(1:01.20) Who is Kristen off the bike?

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(8:38) How Sunny uses deep breathing to relax and survey what's going on in her body.

(12:50) What it was like succeeding at gymnastics from a young age

(17:50) Sunny learns what breaking is in high school from her younger brother, then tries it for the first time at Penn

(20:18) Sunny talks about the self confidence that she garnered from dancing

(33:20) Sunny talk about sharing her love for breaking with her family, and what it was like to expose them to the sport.

(36:48) What it was like to tell her employer about her break dancing, and how she was able to work full-time while traveling internationally to compete

(40:32) Sunny shares why breaking is diverse and accessible to so many people, and why it was worthy of an Olympic spot

(45:48) Why it's important for Sunny to write about her Olympic experience to process how the moment made her feel

(49:15) Sunny talks about the Olympics comedown and how she managed to pull herself out of a funk

(52:30) Sunny talks about what her life looks like these days, and why she doesn't think she'd be able to go back into corporate America

(57:12) What Sunny sees in the mirror

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Moore Aloha Foundation

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(4:38) How Carissa Moore is feeling in this chapter as the mom of a 6-month-old daughter
(8:10) How Carissa Moore felt about keeping her pregnancy a secret from her competitors

(10:33) What it was like for Carissa Moore to surf again after birth

(13:57) What it means for Carissa Moore to “do it all” and how she feels about showing up at 80% instead of 100%

(19:10) Carissa Moore shares her core values and how articulating those helped her figure out what’s important in her life

(26:15) Carissa Moore talks about her foundation, Moore Aloha

(30:16) How it feels for Carissa Moore to be a fan of the WSL tour instead of participating

(36:12) Carissa Moore talks about her labor experience

(38:58) Why is motherhood so important to Carissa Moore and what legacy means to her

(40:07) Carissa Moore talks about the relationship she had with her own mother growing up and how that’s evolved since she’s stepped into parenthood herself

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(5:40) Ash talks about joining the rowing team at The Ohio State University

(6:30) Emily and Ash define "NARP" (Non-Athletic Regular People)

(8:28) What it is about rowing that brings Ash peace

(11:00) What it was like for Ash to be one of three Black women on her collegiate team

(14:30) How Ash navigated her mental health as a walk-on turned B1G champion

(21:40) Ash shares the lessons she's learned about the importance of having grace with herself, and where she learned how to be compassionate with herself

(25:55) Ash talks about her experience with Hashimoto's Disease and what her symptoms look like

(31:20) Ash talks about the resiliency she's learned being an athlete

(44:00) How Ash deals with negative feedback

(55:00) What Ash learned running her first half-marathon earlier this year

(55:22) How Ash shows up to give all she's got on the days when she's not feeling so shiny and bright.

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In this solo, I'm unpacking what "uncomfortable goals" truly are – not impossible feats, but those aspirations that stretch you, challenge your current limits, ignite a mix of fear and excitement, and demand a significant mindset shift. From running a distance you never thought possible to starting a passion project or having a difficult conversation, these are the hurdles that lead to profound self-discovery.

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(7:38) Chicago Marathon recap

(7:55) How do you know if a goal is uncomfortable enough?

(10:05) Why your core values are important when goal setting

(10:29) Two questions you can ask yourself when trying to articulate your values

(15:30) Why you shouldn’t think of fear as a stop sign 

(16:15) The power of and/both

(21:21) The mantras I use when things feel scary on the journey to my goals

(26:12) What going to an improv class taught me about getting outside of my comfort zone

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(4:25) How Elle handles being crazy busy and navigates being non-stop

(9:58) What the beginning of Elle’s career trajectory looked like

(13:25) Elle talks about why she was grateful for getting laid off from her job at a radio station

(15:50) How Elle processes her biggest hurdles

(19:58) When Elle realized she could no longer be a people please

(21:00) How Elle feels about her reputation

(26:27) Elle talks about what it was like to her working in Boston and how she navigated the challenges in Boston

(37:05) Navigating work/life balance is not a real thing, says Elle.

(41:05) What happened when ESPN offered Elle the 6 p.m. Sportscaster slot, the day before her maternity leave

(44:15) How Elle feels about the influx of excitement and better pay for women in sports

(47:43) What Elle hopes for the future of women working in sport

(49:19) How Elle feels about living out her childhood dream

(54:00) Elle talks about her new show, coming June 30, Vibe Check

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This week, I'm stoked to be sitting down with one with Laur, whose become one of my dearest friends, to talk about what it's like to not only be a female photographer and entrepreneur within sport, but the hurdles that she's faced in building her dream career. Plus: How to manage anxiety, develop a healthy routine on-the-road, and her best-practice advice for anyone who's struggling with owning their greatness and building their confidence.

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(5:00) Lauren talks about feeling like she’s hanging on by a thread with a busy season of work

(8:05) Lauren shares how she got into photography and leaving an in-house job in marketing, moving to New York in fall 2022

(13:15) What did it look like to get started founding her own creative agency for sports and fitness

(15:12) Emily and Lauren talk about finances when starting a business and being a gig worker, shoutout Money With Katie

(17:30) The biggest challenge Lauren deals with in the infancy of her agency

(20:20) One of the things that surprised Lauren when she first got into sports photography

(22:24) How do you take photos that tell a compelling story?

(28:00) Talking about the beauty of being a beginner

(28:58) How Lauren finds the gratitude in her day-to-day

(37:00) How to be kind but firm in business

(37:32) The importance of asking yourself “what’s my goal here?” before any conversation

(44:45) What Lauren is really excited about right now that has nothing to do with work

(45:46) Lauren talks about her very fast-paced travel schedule for the next month 

(49:00) How to find consistency with your wellness practices during travel

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In today’s episode, she talks about the difficult decisions she had to make as the daughter of Indian immigrants to deviate away from the blueprint that was set out for her. She shares how she garnered the self-belief and courage to carve her own path, leading her to pursue her passion for running and ultimately become one of the most respected coaches in her field. We talk about the importance of “in order to be her you need to see her,” and how she shows up on the days where she doesn’t feel so confident. Plus: What you will and won’t catch her talking to her women about, and how meaningful it was for her to be a part of Nike’s After Dark Tour. 

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(3:15) Why going to Mumbai to cheer on runners as part of Nike’s After Dark series meant so much to her

(4:14) Diljeet talks about the blueprint that was laid out for her as a young Indian girl when no one looked like her

(5:36) Diljeet talks about deviating from the roadmap that was created for her by her parents

(7:10) Diljeet talks about what her purpose is, and how she felt compelled to be involved in track and field

(9:05) Diljeet talks about how she articulated what her dreams were from a young age

(11:27) Diljeet talks about the importance of “seeing her to be her” and the importance of having good role models from a young age

(17:05) Why Diljeet stays at BYU instead of taking on other opportunities

(19:18) What Diljeet wants her legacy to be

(21:04) How Diljeet recharges when she’s not feeling so shiny or bright

(21:38) Why as a coach Diljeet will never tell you she’s exhausted

(27:16) What it was like for Diljeet to be in Paris for the Olympics and how she didn’t think about how it would feel like for her to walk into the stadium. 

(31:18) What it’s like for Diljeet to raise two boys

(35:35) How it felt for Diljeet to “fail” last year

(38:50) What’s the biggest lesson Diljeet has learned from running

(39:15) The biggest piece of advice that Diljeet offers to someone who is approaching their own starting line, in and beyond sport.

(40:00) What does it mean for Diljeet to live her purpose

(41:10) Advice that Diljeet would offer her younger self

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This episode’s so special to me, not only because KC is a good friend, but also because we talk about another thing that’s so important and under appreciated when It comes to performance: Mindset. Kristina talks us through how we can use our breath to our advantage within sport and stressful situations, and also shares about her backstory as a competitive tennis player. She also gets vulnerable about dealing with disordered eating, and we have this great conversation about what it takes to become a master of your craft.

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(5:22) Kristina shares about her tennis career through college and how the sport shaped her into who she is today.

(5:48) Kristina talks about being an anxious teenager and the pressure she put on herself as a college athlete

(6:05) What is arrival fallacy? 

(10:20) Kristina talks about where she thinks the root of her anxiety stemmed from and talks about the societal pressures on performing at the highest level

(17:10) Kristina talks about what she wishes she knew about breath work when she was younger

(17:32) What’s it mean to regulate your emotions and how does someone begin?

(20:36) Kristina shares when she was first exposed to mindfulness and breath work

(24:32) How breath work makes Kristina feel in real time

(25:00) Kristina shares her crazy goal for after knee surgery to run the New York City Marathon — and how she ultimately snagged a personal best

(29:05) Kristina helps to reframe the difficult components of injury and offers advice to pick yourself back up

(35:00) Where Kristina did her education on breath work 

(36:16) We breathe 22,000 times per day, how to curate an optimal environment to breathe better

(39:25) What longer exhales versus inhales do for your nervous system

(45:38) Kristina details a resonance frequency breath and how to do it

(50:55) How to get over the hurdle of starting and combat beginner’s anxiety

(56:30) Why Kristina’s big on considering herself a constant student over an expert

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In this week's episode, we talk about how life is for Alysia now that her work is focused own her activism instead of getting after it on the track, she shares how she takes care of herself while juggling motherhood, business, and so much more. Plus: The emotions that come with getting exactly what she deserves after finding out last year that she’s a bronze medalist from the 2012 London Olympics after a competitor was banned for doping.

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(5:15) Alysia shares what the Childcare So They Can Get Out There grant looks like

(5:46) Why Alysia started For All Mothers+

(9:45) Alysia talks about what it was like for her to make "motherhood visible" running the USATF championships at 8 months pregnant

(15:26) How motherhood has influenced Alysia's perspective on sports and competition as a whole

(20:28) Alysia talks about what it was like to win indoor nationals six months postpartum, navigating contract negotiations

(26:45) How Alysia feels about asking for help and why it's important to her juggling so many roles

(34:22) What are the barriers for childbearing women in sport and how For All Mothers+ is addressing those

(39:52) Why it's important for all women to share their stories

(45:32) The conversations Alysia is having with her three children on how to express their emotions

(45:58) What does success look like for this Olympian?

(51:32) What's Alysia's personal philosophy?

(56:58) What advice would Alysia offer her younger self?

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(6:45) Liz talks about what it was like for her to play sports without the guidance of someone like a sports therapist

(7:06) Liz talks about what it was like for her to grow up with anxiety in a small town

(10:05) How to get to a place where you can be more present when anxiety feels heavy

(11:45) How to identify helpful versus harmful emotions

(16:30) Liz recommends an app called How We Feel

(20:00) How to avoid damaging your relationships by taking ownership over your actions while navigating burnout

(24:18) What the difference is between a sports therapist and performance coach

(35:50) Conversation on identity and how to cope with being a multifaceted person

(38:45) How to reflect on your core values and beliefs to articulate the different parts of your identity

(42:37) What It looks like for Liz to be a solopreneur and own her own practice

(46:55) What Liz struggles with when it comes to what she shares on the Internet

(51:10) What Liz sees when she looks in the mirror and why this question makes her emotional

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IN THIS EPISODE

(5:36) Why Zoë and Kylee started 'Your Diet Sucks' podcast

(15:15) Kylee talks about her experience working with athletes with eating disorders

(17:00) Emily talks about her history with weight loss and sheds light on her relationship with food

(18:01) Where someone starts with viewing food as fuel

(24:30) Everything a beginner should know about creatine

(30:18) How to take stock on whether or not a supplement is working for you

(38:40) The biggest myths that exist within nutrition

(43:55) An important question Kylee asks all of her clients

(45:30) Kylee breaks down the macronutrient needs for women 21 to 45, and notes that there's a big range of where someone 'should be' depending on your goals

(49:35) Does the protein window of 30- to 60-minutes post-exercise actually make a difference?

(57:30) Kylee breaks down the importance of electrolytes and explains what they are

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IN THIS EPISODE

(6:40) How Jessica feels about being the first woman coach in the NHL

(6:59) If Jessica ever thought she could be a hockey coach

(9:28) Jessica talks about what it was like to be a player at the highest level

(13:32) How to figure out how to turn setbacks into positives and use that redirection to your advantage

(15:30) Jessica talks about losing her brother when she was 10, and how her family navigated that devastating loss

(20:21) How she faired playing with the boys through her teenage years, and how she managed the bullying that came with it (one boy even said: "she would be pretty but she shouts like a boy"

(26:49) What characteristics make Jessica a strong coach

(30:40) Jessica talks about how her mom's influence impacted her as a coach

(36:24) Jessica talks about the email she opened in a Las Vegas hotel lobby that changed her life

(40:01) How Jessica hearing "no" after "no" on her career search

(44:50) How Jessica navigates working with older players as a 32-year-old coach

(49:20) How to reframe your perspective when things don't go as planned

(53:49) How Jessica feels being a mentor to young women and girls, and what it's like to see them show up to her games

(57:32) What's next for Jessica and what goals she has on the horizon

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